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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 09:15:20 PST
From: The Moderators <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #224


Info-Mac Digest             Mon, 15 Nov 93       Volume 11 : Issue 224

Today's Topics:

      (Q) Inexpensive MacroMind D
      : 1984 Commercial
      a-whole-new-world.hqx
      AlarmBook
      Aldus PageMaker 5.0 and QMS PS 410 printer (Q)
      Anybody with DiskExpress experiance? (Q)
      Apple's ad in quicktime format
      Apple's New Monitors (Q)
      Apple IIe to a Mac
      Apple Modem Tool 1.5 whereabouts ???
      Archie client
      Atari EasyWriter to Mac Word file transfer
      Brother IN 440 printer.
      Centris 660av ---> Quadra 660av
      ChunkJoiner design limitations (?)
      compuserve & census data
      Cross Stitch pattern making software?
      DeskWriter/PaintWriter AppleTalk Problems
      Email address for WindowShades author Rob Johnston
      Eudora-Communications Toolbox conflict
      eXodus versus macX
      faxen
      FolderIcon Info
      football manager type game for the mac...
      Free Spectre Challenger
      Geoport
      GeoPort, ApplePhone, and speech recognition
      Geoport and AOL
      Group Scheduling across platforms?
      HP 4MP Pricing/Availability
      IBM printer to a Mac
      Info-Mac Digest V11 #223 (2 msgs)
      Info about worldscript, etc.?
      Japanese WorldSript and vertical printing (C) (2 msgs)
      Japanese WorldSript and vertical printing (Consolidated Wish)
      Kitchen Cabinet Design SW ?
      LC475
      Mac Errors
      MacLibrarian 1.6.2, please?
      MacOS Domain Name Server (Q)
      Mac SE, 6.0.7, MACTCP 1.1.1 don't work (Q)
      MacTCP 2.0.x
      MacTools/Min Sys 7.1 Boot
      MacWrite Pro Dates (Q)
      Math Software for Kids - Experience??
      Moving disks (transcontinentally) (C)
      No More VD
      off-screen windows
      Page references in MS Word [Q]
      PAL SIMMs in a IIci
      PB 100 charger problems (2 msgs)
      PM tickets
      powerbook 160/180 adb patch incompatibility
      powerbook to car battery
      PPP server on the Mac
      Problems with Runtime.o library
      Problems with Runtime.o MPW Library
      Q605 similarities to IIsi?
      Quicken 4 vs. MYM 5, which is better
      Quicken updates
      QuickTime Movie Site, Part 2
      RAM SIMM schematic wanted
      Research assistance needed
      SCSI problems
      Searching umich archives (Q)
      Spectre Supreme
      Start twice before I can use my computer
      Symbionts vs. SAM resolved
      TCP/serial line networking poser [Q]
      Thread Manager
      TV viewing on MAC screen - how? (R)
      Upgrading an SE (r)
      USR modems DTE-DCE speed (Q)
      Very Good Music Playing Software
      Word For Unix ?

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 07:38:24 -0500
From: "Tom Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (Q) Inexpensive MacroMind D

     (Q) Inexpensive MacroMind Director?
I'm hoping to find a package that does what MacroMind Director does
(specifically, create presentations that illustrate navigation of menus,
dialogs, etc. to be used as training for various software packages) but not as
hefty a chunk of change as MMD ($795 even through MacWarehouse!!!).  Does
anyone have a less expensive commercial package or even (*please* *please*
*please*) a shareware/PD package that might do something similar?  TIA!

Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

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Date: 15 Nov 1993 13:39:06 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: : 1984 Commercial

In digest <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

>To get the quicktime movie I can give it to you on DAT tape. Just send me

isn`t it at csc.ucs.uwplatt.edu available via anonymous ftp any longer?

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 13:49:27 PST
From: [e-mail] (Pete Gontier)
Subject: a-whole-new-world.hqx

It probably ought o be noted somewhere that...

    /info-mac/snd/a-whole-new-world.hqx

...is a SoundEdit Pro file, and most people won't be able to do
anything with it.

--
 Pete Gontier // EC Technology // [e-mail]

 "Reality is 50 million polygons per second." -- Alvy Ray Smith

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 23:47:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: AlarmBook

The image suggested by the name is not terribly illuminating. Would the
original poster or Neptune Systems be kind enough to post a thumbnail
description?

TIA.

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 17:18:34 MET
From: Christian F. Buser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Aldus PageMaker 5.0 and QMS PS 410 printer (Q)

Has anyone tried to use Aldus PageMaker 5.0 with a QMS PS 410 printer?

I got the PPD file from the distributor of QMS here in Switzerland, and
also the LaserWriter 8 printer driver.

However, There's something mysterious going on - instead of being able to
print, there is some instruction sent to the printer which it doesn't
understand.

(offending command: dtransform)

Second point is that the German language version of PageMaker 5.0 tries to
find a folder labeled "Druckerbeschreibungen", while LaserWriter 8 wants
one that is called "Printer Descriptions". I tried to make an alias of
Printer Descriptions with the German name, but then PageMaker reports that
this folder does not contain the necessary PPD files.

After switching back to PM 4.2 - I could no longer print as well, with the
"old" LaserWriter software. PrintMonitor says

rangecheck invalid: a4tray

which it did never before, all settings being the same and even the Aldus
folder in the System folder restored to it's state as it was before
installing version 5. Seems that PM 5 / LW 8 modify something in the
printer's parameters, but I did not yet find out what.

Any ideas ?  Thank you in advance.
                        Christian

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 19:25 EST
From: Don't Panic! <[e-mail]>
Subject: Anybody with DiskExpress experiance? (Q)

Dear Netters,
I hear DiskExpress does defragmentation (from AlSoft) much like Norton's
SpeedDisk.  However, I have not yet seen DiskExpress in action.  Does it, or
any other FTP shareware/Commercial software do defragmentation in the
background?   I am looking for a program that will defragment my hard drive
every time I put something new on.  That way I won't have to wait half an
hour for SpeedDisk to do a complete defragmentation.
Running vanilla System 7 on a 68020/no FPU Macintosh LC w/10 MB of RAM.
If that matters in terms of compatibility with such programs.  I can afford up
to 3 MB of hard disk space for such a program.
This has become especially a problem now that I download many pieces of
software  to see if any make my system easier to use.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
[e-mail]
P.S.
...Still dreaming of a 10 lbs or lighter color screen 8bit color/640 x 480
resolution to plug into my LC for less than a $1000.  Any such beast?

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:01:56 EDT
From: Christophe CHAUVIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Apple's ad in quicktime format

Is there a site where one can find all or some Mac tv ads in Quicktime
format ?

1984 is just one of these ads .... I'd like the other |

TIA


Christophe CHAUVIN

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 11:37:45 PST
From: Fergus Sullivan (ITL Temp) <[e-mail]>
Subject: Apple's New Monitors (Q)

Apple seems to have recently released a number of new 14-inch monitors
into the European market, and possibly into the US market as well.
They replace the old 12-inch monitors that due to their non-swiveling
base can no longer be sold in Europe.  As far as I know, these new
monitors consist of the following:
  *  14-inch swivel mounted Philips monitor (possibly a VGA)
  *  14-inch swivel mounted monitor bearing Apple badge, but made by Philips

Has anyone had any experience of these yet?  How do they compare with
the exisiting Apple 14 inch Sony Trinitron monitor?  I've only seen the
one with the Philips badge and it looks uncommonly ugly.  Is the
Apple-badged one identical in shape or is it different.  What's the
display quality like?

I'm planning on buying an LC475 during the week so I'm anxious to find
out about the monitors before signing any cheques.

Thanks,


Fergus Sullivan
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 06:13:54 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Apple IIe to a Mac

Friday, November 12, 1993



Is it possible to link an Apple IIe to Mac via modems? I attempted to send
a text file using communication software on an Apple called Proterm via a
modem to a Mac using White Knight communication software. I linked the two
modems together using a piece of phoneline. Had I been dialing across town

I am sure that I could have gotten it to work. But here the computer were
next to each other.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Wallace
Manzano Day School
Albuquerque, NM

[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 13:55:40 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Willy Gonnason)
Subject: Apple Modem Tool 1.5 whereabouts ???

 I read in the November issue of Macuser that the newer version of the
Apple Modem Tool (1.5, apparently) addressed some of the problems that Macs
using the Communications Toolbox had with high speed modems.  However, I
haven't seen a newer version of AMT come across the net, and couldn't find
it at bric-a-brac.apple.com.  Does anyone out there in netland know if the
newer version exists, if it is available to the public, and if so, where I
could get my hands on it???

  ( Email: [e-mail]  )

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 13:00:36 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: Archie client

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> I remember down-loading a Mac Archie client about 3 months ago, since then
> I have lost my copy and can't remember which anon ftp site I got it from.
> Does anybody know of such an application, or know of an ftp site that has
> one.

There's Archie 0.9, but don't bother getting it since it seems to
be incompatible with almost all the Archie servers out there these
days. Sigh...

cheers ... -Adam

Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor -- [e-mail] -- [e-mail]
Author of The Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh -- [e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 21:42:11 -0500
From: "r.   valentine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Atari EasyWriter to Mac Word file transfer

I have a colleague who needs to transfer some files from Atari
EasyWriter format to Word on the Mac. Can anyone advise him on
this might be done?

Please post replies to Chet Creider, at address

[e-mail]

Thank you.

Rand Valentine

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 11:44:44 +0900
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Brother IN 440 printer.

Hi,
  I have seen a Brother Inkjet printer really cheap, which has the advantage
of bein compatible with both Macintosh and P.C. Has anyone tried it?
I think the model is IN 440, but I am not sure about the letters. It looks
that is based on the same mechanism as the Stylewriter II. At least, the
cartridges look very similar.

Regards from Japan.

Rafael Collantes

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 09:59:38 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Juan M. Courcoul)
Subject: Centris 660av ---> Quadra 660av

>It seems that if Centris 660av users download and install System Enabler
>088 v. 1.1, it will change their computer from a Centris to a Quadra on the
>About this Mac...

Does it now howl and get hairy under the full moon ?

;)

JMC

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 12:42:53 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Alex Rodella)
Subject: ChunkJoiner design limitations (?)

> ChunkJoiner is a small utility that lets you join (concatenate)
> any number of files in a single chunk. ...
> ChunkJoiner works on any Macintosh, but it
> **requires** System 7 or later.

In Info-Mac Digest V11 #200 [e-mail] wrote:
>  I am all in favor of using the features of System 7 *when
>  they are relevant*, but there is no reason why such a
>  simple utility should be System 7 dependent. This is
>  simply a poor design decision.  Even though I have
>  System 7, I will be sticking with an older concatenation
>  utility that has no such limitations.

Well, I am the author of ChunkJoiner, constantly behind in reading the
digest, now trying to reply.
When I designed ChunkJoiner I knew there were older concatenation
utilities running under older Systems (although I have not tried any
of them). So why wasting days - DAYS - in programming efforts, in
order to support System 6? If one uses System 6, he/she could just use an
older concatenation utility; I will not bite him/her for this.
But if you use System 7, be aware that (the following is taken from
the "read me" doc):
You will be asked for the name of the application which can open the
resulting file; I have added this because the Finder 7.x can read this
name and show it to the user if the application is not present.
You can launch ChunkJoiner multiple times in a networking environment,
as well as from a locked disk.
ChunkJoiner is intelligent enough to use temporary memory (if
available), so you do not have to get mad setting its memory
partition. Furthermore, it should work even if you have not enough
memory to read entirely the files you want to combine. If the System 7
virtual memory is active, ChunkJoiner cleverly optimizes its memory
allocation scheme in order to minimize the disk activity when joining
large files.

Do the older concatenation utilities behave this way under System 7?
Does a System 7 user need System 6 compatibility more than these
features?

I conclude:
>  should be System 7 dependent. This is simply a poor design decision
Questionable.
>  Even though I have
>  System 7, I will be sticking with an older concatenation
>  utility that has no such limitations
Nonsense (absit iniuria verbis).

I also agree with the message posted by Peter Kocourek in Info-Mac
Digest V11 #202, except (obviously) for the Luddites comparison as Dr.
Jon Stewart pointed out in Info-Mac Digest V11 #203...

Fabrizio Oddone

P.S.: I am not a System-7 only programmer: give a look at FaberFinder.
It works even under System 1.1 on my Mac Plus!

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 12:54:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: compuserve & census data

I've learned that compuserve provides access to some US Census data
(STF1A and STF3A).  Is access available through any other online ser-
vice?  Does anyone have any recommendations regarding compuserve?

FYI:  compuserve costs $8.95/month for unlimited access to basic
services (NOT INCLUDING access to the census data).  For access to
extended services (INCLUDING access to the census data) an additional
$0.13/minute charge is applied.

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 13:41 -0600 (MDT)
From: Walter Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cross Stitch pattern making software?

Does anyone know of any software that produces Cross Stitch patterns? My
family has discovered a few pieces of software that run under dos or windows,
but nothing for the Mac yet.

The idea is that the program creates a pattern from a pict file.

Thanks,

Walter Johnson
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 15:51:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: DeskWriter/PaintWriter AppleTalk Problems

We are seeing network problems when multiple DeskWriters or PaintWriters get
on the same AppleTalk (LocalTalk) segment.  Users complain about being
dropped from fileserver connections and neverending printing to LaserWriters
on the same segment.

The HP printers are needlessly sending out many AppleTalk LAP enquire
packets to the router.  The garbage traffic created by the printers is
taking down the network during the busy times of the day.  Has anyone heard
of the same problem?  Does anyone know of a fix for the problem?

Thanks for your time.
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 19:27:52 -0100 (MET)
From: Peter Madsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Email address for WindowShades author Rob Johnston


I am trying to get intouch with Rob Johnston author of the brilliant
WindowShade utility. Would someone please help me !

Peter Madsen

[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 16:13:09 -0800
From: [e-mail] (scott mclagan)
Subject: Eudora-Communications Toolbox conflict

After about 1 minute of redialing to a busy number, Eudora quits
dialing saying:
 "Don't blame me, blame the CTB. Connection refused, 9:700"

Anyone know what the problem may be?

(I have redial limit set to 50, Sys 7.1, PB180, Eudora 1.3.1,
Apple Modem Tool 1.1.1, SupraFax Modem V.32bis)

Thanks a mil.

Scott McLagan <[e-mail]>
Coordinator for Computers, School District #43 (Coquitlam), B. C., Canada

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:50:51 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Erik Schils)
Subject: eXodus versus macX

Hi,
I would like to know more about eXodus & MacX. It seems to me that there
are more MacX-users.Why? Is it the performance?
Please mail directly to me.

Erik Schils ([e-mail])

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 07:38:48 -0500
From: "Tom Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: faxen

     RE>faxen
>Does ANYONE out there have experience with using the Laserwriter Pro
>with the FAX option? I see there's send/receive postscript fax  cartridge
>for $265 (consortium price) - has anyone used it? With what software?

Another question I have about this concerns the issue of accountability.  If
this "network fax" option was implemented for a set of offices, how does it
keep track of who's sending faxes out over the network?  Does it print a
transmission report?  Is there a name on the transmission report as to who
sent
the fax?  I'm currently conducting a feasability study on providing a fax
service for a set of offices, but I'm concerned about the office that houses
the LW Select 360 will get socked with large fax bills, and I'd like to find
out how to make people accountable and responsible for what they send out.
Anyone have any input?

Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 11:24:57 PST
From: [e-mail] (Joe Yan)
Subject: FolderIcon Info

> >FolderIcon is a utility for generating custom folder icons from existing
> >desktop icons.  For example, it could create the familiar system folder
icon
> >from the Finder icon.
>
> Hm, is this a drag-and-drop utility?
> Does it create folders or icon resources?
> Is it an editor?
> How do you use it?
> Which version is it?
>
> "More info!"
>

I downloaded FolderIcon.  Yes it is a drag-and-drop utility.  If you
drag something on it, it will make a folder on your desktop.  For
example, if I drag a WriteNow document on top of it, it will make a
folder on the desktop with a little WriteNow icon on the folder.

No, it is not an editor.

If you do not drag something on it and just double-click, it comes up
with an open dialog box.  Opening something will make a folder on the
desktop with a miniature icon of what you opened on the folder.

I threw this program away after I found out it made folders.  I will
stick with Iconder (also available at sumex, I think) which puts the
special miniature icon in the clipboard so that I can paste it onto an
existing folder.

Hope this info helps.

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 14:05:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: e garcez <[e-mail]>
Subject: football manager type game for the mac...

hi! does anyone know of a football manager game for the mac? i am *very*
anxious to find one (either commercial or share/free ware) but have so
far found nothing. please reply to the address below.

thanks.

eddie

__
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 17:32:15 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Free Spectre Challenger

My update to CPS MacTools 3.0 included a freebie game called Spectre
Challenger. Be still, my heart. I don't do games. Any of y'all want it?
First to me with a snail mail address gets it.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 14:24:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Donnie Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Geoport

On Sat, 13 Nov 1993 [e-mail] wrote:

> I have a Geoport on a 660 AV and found the following problems.
> 1. Can't send a fax, locks up the AV when you choose send.

I haven't used the fax software yet, but I'm guessing that it might not be
32-bit clean. This might not be the case, since the Express Modem software
shipped with the AV's is hardware specific. It might be another problem
that I haven't yet dealt with since i haven't used the fax yet.

> 2. With the 14in Audio Visual screen, Apple phone has sound feedback making
> it unusable. Setting volume down takes care of feedback but then you can't
> hear the caller.

I don't have the AV monitor (NEC 3FGe instead) and I use the microphone
that came with the 660AV (the Plaintalk Microphone) I would recommend
removing the AV Monitor's microphone cable and using the seperate
microphone connected to the microphone port. Mount the microphone on top
of the monitor. This should solve your problem, as I do this and have no
feedback, even at high volumes. Be careful though, the party on the other
end will hear you as if you are talking from the back of a tunnel, so get
closer to the microphone to speak, or raise your voice a little. Remember
also that the microphone is use is the Plaintalk one, not the one in your
monitor.

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 15:13:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Donnie Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: GeoPort, ApplePhone, and speech recognition

On 12 Nov 1993, Dr. Francis J. Van Wetering wrote:

> I have a similar configuration to yours.  While I have not tried the modem
> yet, I have discovered that the GeoPort is flaky with our university PBX.  I
> get an incredible amount of feedback when attempting to dial off-campus, yet
> connections on campus work just fine.
>
> Same thing with FAX transfer.  I have sent/received fax transfers within
> campus, but NOT off campus.
>
> I am hoping the University's new phone equipment will take care of this
> soon.
>
I hope that the upgrade will improve your performance. While I have not
experimented with the fax capabilities, I think that they should work with
your current system. You might want to find out if your university's phone
lines are true analog line, as the Geoport is very specific abou this.

> One question:  When I start up Speech Recognition, it starts up find, says
> "Ready", the microphone is on, the speakers work, but the Speech Recognition
> can't 'hear' me.  The feedback icon does NOT indicate that it is listening.
>
> Any suggestions?

If you have a CD-ROM drive, I have an answer. Open the Sound Control
Panel. Highlight Sound Input. Click Options. Check to make sure that the
Microphone is checked and playback is off. I've had this problem too when
switching from playing audio CD's on the drive to using the speech
recognition. Remember though that speech recognition requires LARGE
amounts of RAM. Turning it on for a brief period, using it to open files,
and then turing speech off often adds to your system heap (System Software
in the "About this Macintosh") I've even had to restart to open programs
which only require less that 1MB of RAM, so use speech recognition wisely.

Donnie Williams


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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 14:52:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Donnie Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Geoport and AOL

P.F Cardwell wrote me about a problem with AOL disconnectiong after a
download using his 660AV and the GeoPort. Apparently, he solved the
problem with AOL and I thought other AV & Geoport users wouldn't mind the
extra info.

Don Williams

P.F Cardwell([e-mail]) on 11/14/93 writes:

> 1. Set the Express modem control panel to "Use Express Modem"
> 2. In AOL go to the setup menu and enter the modem initialization string
> (first blank) AT&FE0V1&K0&Q0
> 3. Add &Q0%C0\G0\X0 to the end of the Standard (the one that comes preset
> with AOL) Configuration String (Second Blank)

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 17:55:16 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Group Scheduling across platforms?

We are looking for a calendar program for group scheduling (appointments,
to-dos and reminders) across platforms (Sun, Mac and Windows).

Are there any such programs, or are we ahead of time?


Don't respond to the list, respond directly to me and I will post a
summary.

Johan Solve                 Department of Science and Technology
[e-mail]       Halmstad University, Sweden

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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 09:49:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Edwin Hawkman Chee <[e-mail]>
Subject: HP 4MP Pricing/Availability

To follow up on my previous posting, I purchased the HP 4MP from Printer's
Plus in Arlington, VA for $1385. They are an authorized HP dealer which
is required to qualify for the HP $100 rebate (good until Dec 31).  They
are one of the few companies that accept out-of-state mail orders which
is important to avoid the sales tax.  Their number is 1-703-706-5305.

Thanks to all who sent me information about other mail order places for
the HP 4MP.  I have not had a chance to check out two other suggestions:
1)  DataPrint, an HP Educational Dealer in Charlotte, NC, 800-274-1515.
You will need to fill out a form to verify that you are attached to an
educational institution.  2)  Printer Connection, Newington ,VA,
800-622-7060 [$1379 (?rebate)].

Disclaimer:  This is not an advertisement and I do not have an
affiliation with any of the above companies.  I just hope to remain a
satisfied customer.


-Ed
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 13:15:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Russell Cotton <[e-mail]>
Subject: IBM printer to a Mac

Hello,

I was wondering if there is a way to hook up a Panasonic KX-P1124 IBM
compatible printer to a Macintosh LCIII. The superintendent At Perrin
insists that it can be hooked up and I do not think so. Is there any
software and cables that will allow this?
thanks
Russell Cotton
Garner ISD   [e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 11:01:21 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Rich Siegel)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #223

In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 17:09:31 -0500 (EST)
>From: Michael Petty <[e-mail]>
>Subject: GCC Eclipse 8 Laser printer [Q]
>
>Dear Netters,
>
>Does anyone have comments or opinions about the GCC Technologies BLP
>Eclipse 8 laser printer?  This new product is positioned between the two GCC
>laser printers rated in the Sept. 93 issue of MacUser.
>
>We're a small business office with three Macs and our printing needs are
>not too demanding: mostly short documents such as letters and contracts with
>no complex graphics.  Though we don't have a lot of money to throw around,
>we've begun improving our system, networked the Macs via EtherNet, and
>now want to upgrade our printing setup.  The current nightmare includes an
>ancient HP LaserJet IIP linked to two of the Macs via LocalTalk and a manual
>A-B switch!
>
>The Eclipse 8 appears ideal.  What we can't figure out is how GCC can offer
>so much printer (8ppm, RISC processor, PostScript level 2, and EtherNet
built-
>in) for only $1399 after direct sale rebate.  Is there some hidden flaw?  Is
>it
>risky
>to consider a new printer with no proven track record?
>
>I'd appreciate any information, gossip, or rumors that might help us make
>the right decision.  If appropriate, I'll post a summary to the Net.

Actually, the Eclipse 8 is based on proven hardware and software
technology.  The OL-810 engine that's used in the Eclipse 8 is the
same print engine that was used in the PLP IIS, BLP IIS, and BLP Elite
8, so it's been in field service for several years. That's one of the
reasons that GCC is able to offer a good price on the Eclipse: the
engine is inexpensive.

Another reason the Eclipse is inexpensive is that the hardware designers
have done a damn fine job in keeping the cost of the controller board down
by using readily-available, off-the-shelf components, and very few of them.

The PostScript interpreter in the Eclipse is the same PhoenixPage/PS
interpreter that's in the ColorTone and SelectPress printers; it costs
GCC less to use this interpreter than it costs to use Adobe, and once
again, the interpreter is a proven software model that's been in
service in several products, and which has been refined and improved
over time.

In other words: no, the Eclipse isn't too good to be true; it's just
an exceptionally good deal.

R.

Rich Siegel                              Internet: [e-mail]
Senior Software Engineer                 Turning Point Software

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 11:06:34 -0500
From: Michael Sullivan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #223

Relative to Write Now printing problem avoiding printing a "1" on the first
page. The solution is easy - supress page number on first page footer and
start page numbering from 0 in the print dialog. Works great!

------------------------------

Date: 13 Nov 1993 00:52:12 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Sint Peter-Paul)
Subject: Info about worldscript, etc.?

[e-mail] writes:
>I would like to know about WorldScript.  I know it lets you write in a
foreign
>language, but what does it require (files, system version, etc.)?  I think
>it's only for system 7.1 (I have 7.0.1 since I will not buy 7.1 unless I
>absolutely have to and I frankly see no need for it :).
You need it for WorldScript. Also extensions for specific languages
(Kanji, Chinese especially)

 And also, how can
>I get worldscript-like capabilities on system 7.0.1?
Not really. But you can get e.g. Chinese or Japanese handling by several
commercial and free programmes. Visit the corresponding newsgroups
(...kanjitalk, alt. ... chinese)
Peter
>Thanks!

>[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 10:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "DAVID R. ANDERSON" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Japanese WorldSript and vertical printing (C)

Apparently there are a number of Mac users wanting vertical
printing in their applications.

Tony Huang wrote (Info-Mac Digest 223):

> It's not the fault of the applications that you can't write Chinese or
> Japanese vertically. To do so would require new scripts with such
> capability and they have to come from Apple (and they don't exist yet).
> Nisus 3.4.8 is a little worldscript-savvier than WordPerfect 3.0; it can
> handle right-to-left scripts (WP 3.0 can't).

Is anyone desparate enough to use the following workaround? Do you have
a Radius Pivot monitor?

1. The Radius Pivot monitors work with or without the Radius software. Turn
off the Radius control panel, restart your Mac.

2. Open your word processor. Type a line. Rotate (pivot) the monitor. The
line of text is now either running on the right edge of your document (top to
bottom) or the left edge (bottom to top).

3. If you use Nisus in the right-to-left word processing mode then you can
have the line of text on the left of your document (running top to bottom).

4. Of course the characters are also rotated by ninety degrees...Do you have
a font conversion program? Can you produce a font with the characters also
rotated? If so, the modified characters could be read on the screen with
their usual orientation.

5. Print the document. Once the document is on paper, the reader would
not know that you had used a "left-to-right" word processor, the reader
would see a document foramtted with vertical text.

The down side of this method (flip side? :-) is that your mouse motion
wouuld be at ninety degrees to its normal orientation...also menus would
be displayed at the side of your screen, not the top.

But the "bottom line" is:

  How much do you need vertical typing on your Mac?

Dave Anderson
[e-mail]         (just moved to internet)
[e-mail]      (former address)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 23:51:57 -0800 (PST)
From: "DAVID R. ANDERSON" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Japanese WorldSript and vertical printing (C)

Apparently there are a number of Mac users wanting vertical
printing in their applications.

Tony Huang wrote (Info-Mac Digest 223):

> It's not the fault of the applications that you can't write Chinese or
> Japanese vertically. To do so would require new scripts with such
> capability and they have to come from Apple (and they don't exist yet).
> Nisus 3.4.8 is a little worldscript-savvier than WordPerfect 3.0; it can
> handle right-to-left scripts (WP 3.0 can't).

I was able to format a Word 4.0 document with 50 columns (no spacing).
This produces printing in columns. You may have to adjust the font size and
the number of columns.

Select the PAGE PREVIEW mode for the display in order to see multiple columns
on a single page...however, this slows the word processor considerably.

Dave Anderson
[e-mail]         (just moved to internet)
[e-mail]      (former address)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 10:23:31 -0600
From: Paul M Sheldon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Japanese WorldSript and vertical printing (Consolidated Wish)

    In im digest 222 Taka Takahashi pointed out that true worldscript
capabiility requires handling vertical printing on screen and paper. So
far, worldscript just ain't true.

    Questions start going in the right direction when they
consolidate interests for apple developing this capability. Several
languages of the world require this capability. That gets across the idea
that there might be a more general requirement than merely one language.
Let us go further in building a constituency or market base.
    Imagine if you will the following erroneous solution. Suppose you made
a font that was rotated left by 90 degrees. Then, it would print top to
bottom in what I believe is called landscape mode, but the columns would
go right to left. If the text edit manager could be coaxed into printing
>From right to left, then we could rotate the font the other way and get
the correct left to right column structure.
    So, with this example, we can see the generalization you would like
would involve being able to print Hebrew. We've added another country.
    But, toying with examples, we have almost seen something very important
and fundamental about what we are wanting to do, something I had someone in
Berkeley Systems do for a mac SE. He had done it for a lark and said not to
attribute it to their other virtual screen work.
    We called it 'headstand init'. It would have made my monitor show a mirror
image of what it should if only my mac were a mac SE. It was a quick hack for
fun by one nice employee. I had been making a mirrorless optical system to
project my mac screen on the mac side of the wall screen. The Berkeley
Systems fellow commented that using the mouse was nausiating in mirror
mode (it wasn't turned around backwards if you looked directly at the mirrored
screen).
    You don't need $10,000 video projection, just a dark adapted
audience (cheap solution for amateur astronomers I hang out with). But,
the increase of market base by adding amateur astronomers is not as
incredible as adding countries.
    Understanding the transformation Physics helps me find a more general
market than my first rather specialized interest. Let's say that the
potential market for mac computers are the same people who might buy a car
with a windshield (let's say a mac is 'wheels for the mind' like apple did
so long ago) :
    With the generalization (parity transformation in printer and screen
imaging) coupled with appropriately rotated fonts, you could make heads up
displays of road instructions for cars (reflect in windshield right way
around). I have been using such display on my windshield for years, but
with current printer driver I must produce big pict files and mirror
reverse them with my scanner software. It should be possible to have small
vector map files and print them backwards for heads up navigation in autos.
 +++++++++++++++
    Moral: true worldscript capability requires a parity (mirror)
transformation option on printer drivers. Quickdraw gx might allow a cheap
printer extension to do this. Its coming...from apple.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 20:54:49 CST
From: Rhett Glover <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kitchen Cabinet Design SW ?

I have a friend who designs custom kitchen cabinets. He his currently using a
software package, on a DOS system, to do design, cost, and billing for
customers. He would like to move to the MAC platform, but can't find a similar
software package for MACs.

Anyone know of Kitchen cabinet design software for MACs ?

Thanks
Rhett Glover
USAF Air Warfare Center
Eglin AFB Fl 32542

904 882-9341
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 04:13:51 PST
From: [e-mail] (Robin Dover)
Subject: LC475

I've just took posession of LC475 and am impressed by its speed! I'm used
to an ageing MacII so almost anything would look fast. Just out of interest
I timed a drag and drop launch of an image file: Mac II took 1min 26 sec
the LC475 (8/120) 15 seconds.

However, in the UK it doesn't ship with a microphone and when I try the
mike that came with our Centris it doesn't work. My dealer isn't sure if it
only works with the plaintalk mike. Can anyone enlighten me? Does it ship
with a mike or the speech recognition software in the US? If it is a
hardware fault I want a logic board swap asap!

Robin Dover, Histopathology Unit ICRF LONDON UK
([phone] voice  071 269 3091 Fax

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 17:18:52 -0600
From: (Pete Chane) <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac Errors

Does anyone know what exactly are Type 1 and Type 15 "unexpectedly quit"
errors?

 ------------------------------------------------------
Pete Chane
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 21:53:37 -0500
From: "David L. Elliott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacLibrarian 1.6.2, please?

Behrouz of Epsilon Systems has released his MacLibrarian 1.6.2 to
AOL, Compuserve and NCMC (with separate docs, v. 1.5.4, no change).
This is a good shareware disk-librarian program that keeps track of my
floppies, Syquests, etc..  Will some kind soul with access to one of these
services please upload it to sumex or macgifts?
[Just a happy user... no other connection to Epsilon],
    David

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 11:25:44 PST
From: Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacOS Domain Name Server (Q)

OK all you wannabe network programmers, there is a crying need for a domain
name server that will run under the MacOS. From what I remember (and I'll
find out if someone really wants to know) you can get the source for a DNS
off of a server somewhere in North America. Become famous, really learn how
to program network apps on the Mac, maybe make some shareware fees.

If anyone wants to transfer a SunOS DNS to a MacOS, I'd be happy to find
the source code assuming that such a thing exists. Anyone know the exact
location of the DNS source code?

Kee Nethery
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 14:39:12 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Larry Pickett)
Subject: Mac SE, 6.0.7, MACTCP 1.1.1 don't work (Q)

Does anyone have any idea why I can't get MacTCP 1.1.1 to work with MacSLIP
on my MAC SE with system level 6.0.7, 4M memory, multifinder off?  It
freezes up loading the Control Panel and if I boot of another disk switch
to the HD and try to open the CP it also blows up.  I've even tried it with
a striped system and no luck.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 18:06:31 -0600
From: (Pete Chane) <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacTCP 2.0.x

OK, I just got MacTCP 2.0.4 which replaced 1.1.1.  What is the difference?
Everything seems the same, including speed of transmissions.

Wondering,
PETER CHANE

 ------------------------------------------------------
Pete Chane
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:17:04 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacTools/Min Sys 7.1 Boot

I just got the new MacTools 3.0 from CPS, and I found a bit of a glitch
in making an "emergency disk" that y'all might find useful to know about.
When MacTools creates a boot disk, for either DiskFix or Optimizer, it
puts an 834K or so system file on the floppy. This leaves precious few
K for enablers. I've been using the "stripped" System 7.1 (via the MIN-
SYSTEM-INSTALLER-101 in the archive) for such boot disks, 715K. Works
fine for the Optimizer boot disk. Works less fine for the "emergency"
disk containing DiskFix. Just as the DiskFix screen comes up, an alert
comes up saying that "an error has occurred." So far, I've just clicked
OK and continued the mission. With no apparent problem.

That alert did get my attention. But -- after too many hours looking at
it and trying to avoid it -- I've just decided that the "stripping" got
a system file that is missing something DiskFix asks about but does not
really need.

If any of you real experts out there see (1) reason to worry or (2) a way
around that alert, I'd very much like to hear of it.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:56:46 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacWrite Pro Dates (Q)

I've been seeing a problem in MacWrite Pro. Before I yell at Claris, I'd
like to know if any of y'all have seen the same thing, or if I've simply
done something terribly stupid and deserve to die.

I have my "dates" set up to change when the document has been modified.
The first date in a letter is after the letterhead and right justified.
It can show on the screen, and print, with truncation. The last time I
wrote my "baby" sister was June. Yeah, don't rag on me. I'm a very bad
brother. Nonetheless, my letter of this evening got a first-page date
of "November 12" instead of "November 12, 1993" when I saved the letter.
Say what? The subsequent-page headers, with date left justified, looked
as expected.

Have any of y'all seen this on MWPro 1.0v4? If you haven't, what are you
doing that I'm not?

All suggestions most appreciated. I like MWPro's option of changing the
date automagically when the document changes, but I don't like the way
I see it does it.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 18:00 EST
From: Peter T. Boag <[e-mail]>
Subject: Math Software for Kids - Experience??

I'm looking for Christmas suggestions for 6-10 year olds interested in math.
The packages I've seen for the MAC include:

MacKids Turbo Math Facts 2.0 - Nordic Software
New MAth Blaster Plus - Davidson & Associates
Number Munchers - MECC
Math Rabbit - The Learning Company
Kids Math - Great Wave Software
Number Maze - Great Wave Software

Any experience positive or negative  with these or others would be much
appreciated. I will summarize for the net if enough interest.

Many thanks, Peter

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 00:33:21 PST
From: Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject: Moving disks (transcontinentally) (C)

If you were travelling from point A to point B directly, I would carry the
hard disk with you on the plane. Since you are visiting other places along
the way, backpacking and such, I would suggest not packing it with you and
instead, sending it via UPS or Fed Exp.

If you know someone at the place where you are going, ship it to them just
before you leave. If you don't, leave it with someone. Call them when you
arrive and tell them where to ship it. Two day shipping overseas is not
expensive so I'd suggest leaving it with someone.

I have backpacked with wierd stuff (Atmos Clock, Wool wall hangings) and
generally don't recommend it. You have to be extra careful that you and
others treat your backpack as a container of fragile stuff.

Explaining that my backpack contains an incredibly valuable object that
needs to be handled gently is not something I like to do when theft is a
very real possibility. Drawing attention to my backpack sounds to me like I
am saying, steal from me and win big.

Kee Nethery
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 20:56:19 PST
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey S. Shulman)
Subject: No More VD

SHULMAN SOFTWARE                           Phone: [phone]
1111 W. El Camino Real, Suite 109MAC       FAX:   [phone]
Sunnyvale, CA   94087-1057   USA



November 12, 1993



THIS IS AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:

Due to changed conditions of the Macintosh anti-virus market, we
cannot continue to offer VirusDetective and VirusBlockade II to the
Macintosh community. From this time forward, we will not accept any
new registrations for these products.


Message to our existing registered users:

     1) We will continue to create search strings as viruses, Trojan
Horses and worms are discovered for the Macintosh, as usual. As time
permits, we will send the search strings to you via Internet
electronic mail in a timely manner; if you have not done so already,
contact us that you would like us to notify you in this way, and we
will be happy to do so;

     2) On a case-by-case basis, upon request, we will furnish you with the
search strings to newly discovered viruses. Send a self-addressed, stamped
envelope, and we will send you (on paper) the Master List of search strings
(as
it exists at that time). Then, manually add any search strings that are
missing
in your V5.0 (or later) version of VirusDetective, but that are on the Master
List;

     3) We will still honor your requests to update to the latest
version(s) of VirusDetective (V5.0.10) for $10 US users/$15 non-US
users, and VirusBlockade II (V2.0.8) for an additional $10 US
users/$15 non-US users. These are the latest (and last) versions that
exist.

     4) From our hearts, we apologize to those of you who are upset
that we now have to stop making VirusDetective and VirusBlockade II
available to the Macintosh community. We thank those of our registered
users who have made us your friends, who have taken us into your
hearts. It's been truly a wonderful experience to talk to all of you
on the phone, and respond to your letters and FAXes from far-flung
nations of the world. We are indeed sad. We have the sense we have let
you, our registered users down. We hope we have done right by you...

     Over the last couple years, many Mac users had said publicly that
they feel VirusDetective is actually a better product than the other
Macintosh anti-virus products. However, the formal accolades and
publicity largely went to Disinfectant (freeware) and S.A.M. (fee),
with nary a mention of VirusDetective.  We thank those of you who
helped get the word out that VirusDetective was out there available
"for the picking", so to speak, for a reasonable fee.

    We intend to develop and distribute other pieces of software in
the future, via direct mail, worldwide, commercially, for reasonable
prices. Many Mac users have already requested that we notify them when
we have another software product available to the Macintosh public. As
has always been the case, we will remain faithful to the idea that we
provide the best possible "software 'product' and 'customer service'
mix", which includes being honest, respectful and compassionate in all
our dealings with others.


Sincerely,



Jeffrey S. Shulman



(Ms.) L. J. Shulman

--
Jeff Shulman
Shulman Software Co.
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 09:39:11 MST
From: "Roger B. Marks"  <[e-mail]>
Subject: off-screen windows

Hi, all.

What's the best way to get windows back on screen when the title bar is
off screen? I seem to keep getting stuck in this rut when I change monitors
or hard drives.

Thanks,


Roger
[e-mail]            NIST/Boulder, CO

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 16:06:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Page references in MS Word [Q]

peeps,

i remember reading here once someone saying how to do page references in MS
Word, however i dont remember what was said.  basically i tried using "paste
link" and pasting a hidden piece of text from one page to another.  the hidden
piece of text contained the reference including the page number by inserting
a page number symbol thingy. problem is that if i paste the link as full
format you get the symbol not the page number, and if i paste the link as
unformatted text then i get a blank where the page number symbol was.  how can
i do this and still keep the page numbering dynamic?

[insert clever "thanks in advance" dingbat here]

jonathan

--
Jonathan AH Hogg,  snail-mail: Flat 6, 54 Shelley Court, Glasgow. G12 0XD
               e-mail: [e-mail], [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 19:02:18 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PAL SIMMs in a IIci

A few months ago I asked the assembled wisdom about using Mac II/IIx PAL
SIMMs in a IIci. I had gotten Leslye a C650 to replace her goosed II,
and I wanted to cannibalize as much as possible of the II before either
selling it or giving it to a good deductible home. I got a lot of answers
of varying stripes. I dropped a note to Connectix, those fine folk who
seem to know an indecent amount about Mac memory. They said the special
Program Array Logic SIMMs (no, not parity SIMMs) would work fine in my
IIci. This evening I finally had a chance to test that assertion.

With 16M SIMM prices back down to a relatively dull roar, I goosed the
C650 to 24M, Leslye is comfortable with the extra elbow room, and she
finally gave me leave to take the four 4M PAL SIMMs out of her II. Oh
frabjous day! Caloo! Calay! Or whatever.

Yup, those 4M PAL SIMMs work just fine. As long as you stick them in
Bank B (the one to the left as you look inside the box from the front).
I know that's Bank B because I tried it the other way first and got a
previously unheard chord upon attempted startup.

Now, if she'll just let me have the II's 205M HD....

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 14:52:33 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Subject: PB 100 charger problems

[e-mail] (Simon Radford) writes:
> I'm having a problem with the battery charger on my PB 100. The plug
> doesn't make good contact with the innards. When I connect it to
> the PB, I have to push the plug this way or that for it to make
> contact. Then, if I don't keep pushing, it loses contact again.
> With the volatage display in Edison I can see when it's really
> making contact. This is getting more frequent, more tedious, and,
> needless to say, my PB rarely gets a full charge so it doesn't last
> long on its batteries.
>
> Anyone else have this problem? Anyone have a fix?

I also have the same problem with my 100.  My plug doesn't make
contact unless there is pressure on the plug to push it down.  I
put a stiff rubber band around the cord and hooked it onto the
foot.  This pulls the cord down a little bit and power goes in just
fine.  Kind of a pain, but I can't imagine what it would cost to
get it fixed.

Incidently, early in my computer's life, it had a problem where it
would not work from the battery.  Apple replaced the daughter
board, and the mother board.  Unrelated to that, they later
replaced the hard drive (20mb).  So, I kind of got my share of free
labor.

Jerry Adlersfluegel
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 14 Nov 1993 16:55:06 +1100
From: [e-mail] (Veda Chang)
Subject: PB 100 charger problems

[e-mail] writes:

>I'm having a problem with the battery charger on my PB 100. The plug doesn't
>make good contact with the innards. When I connect it to the PB, I have to
>push
>the plug this way or that for it to make contact. Then, if I don't keep
>pushing, it loses contact again. With the volatage display in Edison I can
see
>when it's really making contact. This is getting more frequent, more tedious,
>and, needless to say, my PB rarely gets a full charge so it doesn't last
>long on its batteries.

>Anyone else have this problem? Anyone have a fix? I suspect it's a hairline
>crack in the solder on the jack. Anyone have any experience reflowing the
>solder?

Go to the top of the class young man - you're absolutely correct.
I had the same problem - the solder holding the jack to the mother-
board cracked.  Reflowing the solder was very easy, even with my
cheap and nasty soldering iron.
Now I'm always very careful using my PB so as not to wobble or put
any strain on the plug when it is inserted into the power jack -
using it "laptop" seems to cause the most problems.

Good luck.
James Hu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 12:44:10 CST
From: Mack <[e-mail]>
Subject: PM tickets

I need to make 1000 tickets in PM 4.2.  Is there a way to put serial nubers
on each ticket from 1 to 1000?

Mack

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 03:28:40 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Steve Liu)
Subject: powerbook 160/180 adb patch incompatibility

Bear with me,

    The other day, I downloaded the newest mousestick ii driver,
including the powerbook adb patch from advanced gravis' bbs.  I installed
it and then uploaded the driver to info-mac.  Then, at the same time, i
starting using my modem on my printer port (don't ask why, it's a long
story).  Anyways, to make an even longer story short, my modem was getting
continuous data crc errors when trying to download and i finally pinned it
down to a conflict with the adb patch included with the mousestick
driver(it was somehow causing data to be dropped).  so i called up advanced
gravis, and the guy i spoke to believed me after a long explanation and
told me to fax in a diagnostic report, which i did.  But, he was quick to
mention that it was apple's adb patch and not their's....so, i called up
1-800-sos-appl and talked to a friendly guy named dave...which also
believed me (after an even longer explanation) and said he would check on
it and call me back.  About 30 minutes later, he called back and
acknowledged the problem, but was quick to add that it was their patch, but
advanced gravis had PROBABLY done a few changes to it, so it was advanced
gravis' responsibility.

Well, to sum it up, i don't tell a very good story and if you are using the
adb patch with a powerbook 160, 165c, 165, 180, 180c. You will have
problems with your Printer port ONLY, but only with incoming data..get it?
No problems printing, or using outgoing data on a modem.  To avoid the
problem, you can remove the patch and go mousestick II-less or do what i
do, use the patch when you want to use the mousestick and remove it when
you don't.  If you don't use your powerbook's printer port with a modem or
serial connection that feeds data to your computer, then don't worry.

BTW, a get info showed copyright by Apple Computer 1993...and the patch
causes problems even when used with a copy of my disk tools disk with the
patch as the only init. Yes, a pram zap and eveything I could think of and
dave at apple told me to try wouldn't make it go away.

Steve <----it's been a looong day.
BTW, anyone at Hopkins or close by want to give a pretty hard-working and
responsible student research experience? I'm a psych major.

---
Steve Liu
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 09:59:34 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Juan M. Courcoul)
Subject: powerbook to car battery

On issue 217, "r.   valentine" <[e-mail]> writes:

>I'm wondering-- is there any potential harm to a PowerBook to
>just buy a cheap 12volt DC adapter, say at a place like Radio
>Shack, to run one's PB through a car's cigarette lighter? Or
>does one need some fancy, razzle-dazzle 12V adapter?

Well, given that a running motor vehicle will output from 13 to 14 volts on
its battery and that the PowerBook uses 7.5 volts on its adapter, you'll
only blow a fuse, at best. Of course, Murphy might be out to get you, and
you'll fry the whole motherboard. In the first case, you'll still be able
to run, but perpetually plugged into the regular Apple adapter. In the
second case, well... Either way, the machine will have to go back to the
dealer and get a new motherboard (fuse's soldered on, not user replaceable,
even if you can find it), and whatever's left of your warranty will go the
way of the dodo bird.

Seriously, folks, the PB adapter is not a cheap 120 -> 7.5 AC transformer !
It outputs fully regulated 7.5 VDC at up to 1.7 Amps and is capable of
sustaining a battery-less PB indefinitely. It is also capable of
self-destructing, rather than letting the PB suffer damage when harm comes
along (like a high-voltage spike on the line).

If you want long-term car operation, I'm certain there are 12V adapters
specifically for the PB on the market, costing roughly the same as an AC
adapter. On the other hand, trying to scrimp on $50-$70 and jeopardizing a
$2,000-$3,500 investment seems like a very dumb move to me.

This ain't hearsay, but actual experiences lived (suffered ?) by several of
our users. They're nice machines (got one myself), but they'll only take a
certain amount of abuse and fiddling around with the power supply is way
out of the line.

JMC

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 13:04:20 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: PPP server on the Mac

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> I am looking for PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) *server* software to run
> on a Macintosh. Does such a beast exist? Thanks.

Not that I know of at all, but do let me know if you hear otherwise.
(Also no SLIP server software).

Depending on what you want to do, ARA might help.

cheers ... -Adam

Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor -- [e-mail] -- [e-mail]
Author of The Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh -- [e-mail]

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Date: 15 Nov 1993 16:36:48 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Chibuike O. Nwaeze)
Subject: Problems with Runtime.o library

Problem linking with Runtime.o.  I get this error stating
that I have an udefined entry name "main" however I do
have a main in my program. How do I get around this?  Here is the error
message as is


"  Link -srt -model far -d -sym on -t APPL -c '????' "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"CSANELib.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"Math.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"StdClib.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:Libraries:"Runtime.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:Libraries:"Interface.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"discus.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"acas.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"acasorb.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"acasdbwr.o -o conv_client
### Link: Error: Undefined entry, name: (Error 28) "main"
  Referenced from: %__MAIN in file: Hard Drive:System
  Folder:MPW:Libraries:Libraries:Runtime.o
  ### Link: Errors prevented normal completion. "


  Does anyone know what I can do to eliminate this error ? Please send
  e-mail to [e-mail]


  Chibuike Nwaeze
  The MITRE Corporation
  [e-mail]


--

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Date: 12 Nov 1993 21:27:26 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Chibuike O. Nwaeze)
Subject: Problems with Runtime.o MPW Library

Problem linking with Runtime.o.  I get this error stating
that I have an udefined entry name "main" however I do
have a main in my program. How do I get around this?  Here is the error
message as is


"  Link -srt -model far -d -sym on -t APPL -c '????' "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"CSANELib.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"Math.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"StdClib.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:Libraries:"Runtime.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:Libraries:"Interface.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"discus.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"acas.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"acasorb.o "Hard Drive:System
Folder:MPW:Libraries:CLibraries:"acasdbwr.o -o conv_client
### Link: Error: Undefined entry, name: (Error 28) "main"
  Referenced from: %__MAIN in file: Hard Drive:System
  Folder:MPW:Libraries:Libraries:Runtime.o
  ### Link: Errors prevented normal completion. "


  Does anyone know what I can do to eliminate this error ? Please send
  e-mail to [e-mail]


  Chibuike Nwaeze
  The MITRE Corporation
  [e-mail]


--

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 20:13:32 PST
From: Dieder A. Bylsma <[e-mail]>
Subject: Q605 similarities to IIsi?

Looking at the outside shell of the Q605 in an infoworld advertisement, I was
struck by how similar looking it was to the IIsi. Someone tell me I can
ugrade my IIsi to the 605! Or should I sell the IIsi while I can still get
some
$ for it and get the next iteration of the 605 (i.e. 40MHz 60840 w/DSP under
$1K
next year <-- unfounded seculation?) :-)

Sigh....   we used to moan about how few Macs there were....and now
there's a new incarnation every 6 weeks? Surely something has to be said for
moderation?

Anyhow...that's my ramblings for now...

Dieder
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 14:08:05 -0800
From: Charles Chia-Hsing Hsieh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Quicken 4 vs. MYM 5, which is better

I have been using MYM 5 mainly because Quicken 3 has no investment tracking.
Now Quicken 4 has, so I'm thinking about switching to Quicken, because the
DOS port feeling of Manage Your Money is getting to me, though feature-wise
it's quite good.  Anyone has any feeling about this?

Charles C. Hsieh
/

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 15:15:10 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: Quicken updates

Hi All,

OK, I'm not a Quicken user, so how does one go about getting an update
>From Intuit, given that they hide the Release number (thanks to Harry
Hahn for the tip on how to display that)? I'm planning on putting
a short item in TidBITS on this, but I wanted to find out people's
experiences with getting updates - do you have to name the secret
bug to get the update or can you just call and say "I've got release
2 - can you send me release 4 since I know it's out?"

Responses to the list, please - I read it every day...

cheers ... -Adam

Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor -- [e-mail] -- [e-mail]
Author of The Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh -- [e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 19:53:06 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Matt X. Herbison)
Subject: QuickTime Movie Site, Part 2

Hello again...due to an OVERWHELMING response to my making available a
bunch of QT movies for FTP, I am STOPPING it for now.  I am sorry, but it
is tapping my computers resources too deeply and I am finding it very
difficult to work.  If I can handle it until Sunday night (the 14th), I
will continue until then.  I will have to dole out access from then on, so
send your requests to me (please use the Subject Line "echidna").  Thanks
for the response, so far more than 100 people have tried to access the
movies.  I hope you all receive this message in Info-Mac before Sunday.

-Matt X. Herbison                       -Penn State University
[e-mail]                         -Apple Student Representative

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 13:05:23 BST
From: Richard Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: RAM SIMM schematic wanted

Has anyone a schematic (preferably in PICT form) of a RAM SIMM? Ideally I'd
like
schematics for 256Kb, 1Mb and 4Mb devices, but anything would do.

Thanks,
Richard Smith ([e-mail])

Hardware & Systems Executive
NorthEast Macintosh User Group - UK

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 15:29:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Eileen Margerum <[e-mail]>
Subject: Research assistance needed

Dear Info-Mac'ers,
Can you suggest a software program to help me organize and write my book?

I know I don't want something like FileMaker Pro or HyperCard. Here's what
I do want:

A program that will store discrete units of data (a sentence to a page long)
that will let me use a "keyword" system to find and retrieve stored data,
that will let me shuffle the units around, and that will work with a word
processor so I can move the data into the text as I write.

Ideally, It should let me create a bibliography (most ideally using the
APA, University of Chicago or MLA format). In the best of possible worlds,
It would even accept and store scanned images.

If it makes a difference, I prefer to use MacWrite (but have access to
Microsoft Word and Write Now 3.0) under System 7.

Surely, others are writing books on their Macs. Please let me hear from
you.  As I'm not subscribed to the list, please respond to
[e-mail] -- I'll summarize if there is interest.

-Dr. Eileen Margerum, Salem State College, Salem, MA
emargerum @ecn.mass.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 03:00:47 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Paul Westbrook)
Subject: SCSI problems

   I am having problems with my SCSI chain.  On my Classic I have an
internal 80Mb hard drive.  Next on the SCSI chain I have a external
20MB hard drive.  The as the last item on my chain I have an external
CD-ROM drive.  The CD-ROM drive has internal termination which I can't
take out , the 20Mb drive did, but I took it out.  And then I have the
internal, which should be terminated.
   The problem I am having is that I can not boot up with the 80Mb
drive with out the 20Mb drive being turned on.  Is there a problem
with my termination?  Do I need some more terminators?
   Any help would be appreciated.  Please respond with e-mail.

Thanks,
Paul Westbrook

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 15:41 EST
From: Don't Panic! <[e-mail]>
Subject: Searching umich archives (Q)

Dear Netters,
Is there a way to search umich archives using a Gopher search?  I need to find
the directory path to the after dark modules there.  PLEASE E-MAIL your reply
as our server doesn't always update the digest.  Through some fluke we went 3
days without a single new digest.    I don't want to listserv either as it
takes too much out of my time to read every last digest bulletin.  I either
have to run it through my newsreader after downloading it, or read one by one
the subject headings of my interest.  Downloading takes time too even at 38400
BAUD throughput.

Thank you.
Sincerely,
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 21:33:43 EST
From: "Christopher B. Hopkins (Wesley)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Spectre Supreme

Hey, are there any SPECTRE SUPREME cyber-jockeys out there?

What's everyone think of this game?

What's the NET PLAY like...?

Christopher
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 12 Nov 93 15:55:00 PST
From: "Johnny Lin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Start twice before I can use my computer

Date Sent: 12-NOV-1993

Hi Netters

I am wondering why is that I have to start my computer twice in order for me
to use the computer.

The first time I turn on the computer, I get the question mark asking for the
system software.  I have to turn the computer off, and restart again.  After
the second time, then the computer would recognize the internal hard drive,
but
never on the first time.

I can't figure it out why, but I suspect that it probably has to do with
the internal batterry.  I haven't changed it for at least four years.  Other
than that, does anyone have an idea what is wrong?

I have IIci.

p.s.  If the problem is the internal battery, is it possible to purchase
battery at any Apple authorized dealers?  or I need it replace by Apple
dealers
only.

Thank you very much.
Johnny

internet : [e-mail]
packet   : KC6DMH @ N6CUS.#SOCA.CA.USA.NA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 07:45:46 -0600
From: Bienvenu Jay  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Symbionts vs. SAM resolved

Jonathan AH Hogg <[e-mail]> sent me the following info:

> Symbionts exploits (probably not clean) a feature in 7.1 whereby a new
> special extension is loaded before all INIT's etc.  they are called 'scri's
> (the type) and they are _supposed_ to be script extensions - something to do
> with OS stuff, i dont know exactly what they're for.  anyhow, if Symbionts
> notices you are using 7.1 it changes its type next time round to 'scri' so
it
> can load _very_ first.

Since I couldn't change the type of Symbionts to 'INIT' (the control panel
would just chaneg it back the next time around, I changed SAM from a 'cdev' to
a 'scri.'  SAM (preceded with two exclamations) now loads first, although I
haven't tried to see if I can still open the control panel.

                    -- Jay

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 14:26:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Stross <[e-mail]>
Subject: TCP/serial line networking poser [Q]

Here's a poser for you.

I have two computers: an ancient 386 running SCO UNIX 3.2v4 (release
4.2) with the SCO TCP/IP 1.2 package, and a Powerbook 145b runnig
System 7.1, MacTCP 2.0.2, and MacPPP 2.0.

Right now the Mac connects to an IP provider via modem to pull in news
and mail. I want to write a better SMTP client in MacPerl, so I
obviously need to get the Mac talking to the UNIX box, using PPP
over a null-modem cable. MacPPP/MacTCP is fine for dialing into the
IP. The null-modem cable works fine with Kermit. TCP/IP is configured
correctly on the SCO box. All that remains is to get the two LAPs
talking to one another.

Now I could obtain and install InterSLIP on the Mac and use a direct
SLIP line. I have reasons for not wanting to do this, even thought it
would be relatively easy. (Only one SLIP connection to a SCO box;
InterSLIP takes 120K of memory from the Mac (!), and I may want to
scale up to a full-blown TCP/IP network over serial cable in the
indeterminate future). So what I want to know is, does anyone have any
ideas about configuring PPP for a direct serial connection? As far as
I can tell, it seems to _insist_ on talking to a modem. (I'm not
incredibly familiar with these protocols, and know next to nothing
about programming Macs, so I'm not qualified to delve deep into it
myself.) Moreover, I'd like to be able to dial _in_ to the powerbook
>From the UNIX box, as well as vice versa. Is this possible?

Answers on the back of a postcard, please. Injunctions to RTFM are not
welcome; I already have, and it wasn't very informative.


 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Charlie Stross is [e-mail], [e-mail]




------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 12:42:07 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Alex Rodella)
Subject: Thread Manager

In Info-Mac Digest V11 #208 [e-mail] (Juan M.
Courcoul) wrote:

>  Don't forget the Thread Manager (found in ftp.apple.com).
>  That system extension can allow pre-emptive multitasking
>  NOW, without 7.1 Pro. Unfortunately, as of this writing,
>  only one application seems to use it: a diskette
>  formatter written (I think) by Alessandro Montalcini,
>  which allows backgrounding (this application is found in
>  apps at sumex).

According to the documentation accluded with PowerScan 2.0 by Jonas
Wallden, other programs besides Disk Charmer (which is able to format
disks with backgrounding) exploit the Thread Manager: PowerScan itself
(although with cooperative threads, not preemptive), AutoCAD R12, and
... QuickDraw GX!

BTW, Disk Charmer is not by Alessandro Levi Montalcini (who has
written tons of useful utilities for the Mac, though), but by Fabrizio
Oddone.

Fabrizio Oddone ;-)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 09:59:00 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Juan M. Courcoul)
Subject: TV viewing on MAC screen - how? (R)

In issue 216, writes:

>>I have seen a PeeCee that has a card which allows it to show TV broadcasts
>>directly on its monitor. The full screen is used, and it looks just like a
>>real TV set (except the sound. Yeech). The card costs about $200 here.
>...
>Yes, there is. The only one I can think of is RadiusTV by Radius. Sorry, I
>cannot give you a price or other product names.

I hate to be unable to provide specifics, but about four years ago, at my
former place of employment, we had a Mac IIcx with a video card (well,
actually they were two cards, piggyback connected), which allowed real-time
viewing of video, as well as adding Mac-generated effects, like subtitling
and such. The equipment was used in the multimedia lab, where it was
plugged to a pair of semi-pro video decks; you could tune in your favorite
program, add doodles with the Mac, and record it for posterity. Since that
wasn't my department, I just played with the toys now and then, and never
did pay much attention to brand names or model numbers.

Given that was in ancient times, given the advance of the technology, I
assume modern gear can do much more.

Juan

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 17:19:45 MET
From: Christian F. Buser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Upgrading an SE (r)

From: [e-mail] (John Withers) asked how to
upgrade an SE:
>RAM:    1MB
>HD:     10MB (That's right folks, ten)
>System: 4.2
>Finder: 6.0
>
>System will not boot from HD. HD has system folder and everything appears
>OK. Will boot from distribution tools diskette, but the shutter on the
>diskette doesn't move very well any more.
>
>Now, what should I do to provide >LOW COST< upgrades to make the system
>or useable and how on earth do I make it boot from the HD?

1) Buy more RAM. It's not too expensive to replace those 4 x 256k SIMMs
by 4 x 1M SIMMs. Maximum on an SE is 4M. To add RAM on "early" SE models,
you need to cut the resistor labeled R35; on newer models you need to
(re)move a jumper (remove it if there are 2.5 or 4M in it; move it if you
chose only to upgrade to 2M).

If you need literature, ask Connectix for "The Macintosh Memory Guide", a
60-page-booklet which answers most memory questions. They can be reached
electronically ( [e-mail] ) or by phone [phone] or
[phone].

2) Upgrade your system software to at least 6.0.5. If your harddisk is a
"normal" one, it should be possible to boot the computer from it (Just try
it out; System 6.0.5 should be available free from your Apple dealer or a
user group near you). You may need to re-initialize completely your
harddisk to make it bootable. Take any "universal" formatter (such as
Silverlining from LaCie, or Hard Disk Toolkit from FWB). If it's an
"Apple" labeled drive, you can use Apple's HD SC setup to do this. Keep in
mind that chosing "erase" from the "Special menu" does NOT do the same
thing.

Best regards, Christian.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 13:03:40 BST
From: Richard Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: USR modems DTE-DCE speed (Q)

I have a USR Courier V32bis Dual Standard modem which won't talk to my Mac at
anything above 19,200bps. Several other people have noticed the same
phenomenon.

Any ideas why this should be so, and does it slow down data transfer on
14,400bps connections? (I usually get transfer rates of 1400 cps and higher on
Fetch connections, so I guess the answer to the last question is no!)

TIA,
Richard Smith ([e-mail])

Hardware & Systems executive
NorthEast Macintosh User Group - UK

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 4:29:07 WET
From: [e-mail] (Jamal Hannah)
Subject: Very Good Music Playing Software

Hi folks.  Just to remind people, version 4.09 of "The Player Pro"
by Antoine Rosset is out for the Mac.. it allows editing of
Amiga SoundTracker/ProTracker Music Module files, as well as
playing them.   Right now, the program has problems with pitch playback,
which will be corrected in version 4.10.   Version 4.11 will
(As Antione said) support other formats, such as Amiga OctaMED,
and possibly Oktalyzer and other 8 to 32 track music formats.

If you have any interest in music, check the program out!  it's
at the info-mac FTP site in snd/util.  Information on the
ProTracker file format is also available on sumex, in the files
"MOD-info" and "modform.txt".  (I forget where they are)
One details ProTracker format version 1, and the other talks
about version 2.

Antoine can be reached at: [e-mail]

_please_ send him email if you have any bug reports, or suggestions
for improvements, or just need info.


The program "Sound Trecker" version 2.0 is also out, at the same place.
The program is written by Frank Seide, but Frank does not have an email
address right now.. email can be (possibly) forwarded to him by:
[e-mail] (Klaus Koeler)

This program now also supports some music formats with more than 4 voices.
(It only plays files, it does not edit them.)

Sound Trecker 2.0's documentation and controls are currently all in
German, but a translation is being sought.


Mac Tracker version 1.1 is also out.. it's unknown wheather a new version
will be made any time, but the source code for the program (and the
origional unix/SPARC version) is available on sumex.  Send
email to [e-mail] (Thomas R. Lawrence) for info.
[e-mail] (Marc Espie) wrote the unix version.


Anyone interested in joining the music-programmer's electronic mailing
list that is in the process of starting can send email to:

[e-mail]

      - Jamal Hannah

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:51:46 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Erik Schils)
Subject: Word For Unix ?

Does anyone know when there's going to be a Word for Unix ?
The rumor goes: July '94 ?

Please mail directly to me.

Erik Schils ([e-mail])

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 14:20:25 -0500
From: [e-mail] (USENET News)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Path: sage.cc.purdue.edu!phanson
From: [e-mail] (Paul Hanson)
Subject: Re: Quad 605 will not boot
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (USENET News)
Organization: Purdue University
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:17:05 GMT
Lines: 19

[e-mail] writes:

>Hello netters:
>I have just purchased a Quadra 605 to replace my LCII.  I have an
>external LaCie 40M ZFP hard disk that was attached to the LCII (and an
>SE before that).  When I attach the external hard disk to the 605,
>the 605 will not boot.  Sometimes it will get as far as the "Welcome
>to Macintosh" banner, but usually the boot process stops at the happy
>mac face that is displayed when the mac finds the boot code.  If I

I had this same problem.  I found that with any of the "newer" machines
the same thing happened to me (Mac SI, Centris 610, IIvx).  Finally I
was able to get my hard drive to mount by powering my hard drive and the
Mac at the same time (so when the mac recoginizes it's internal drive,
the external has not yet finished spinning up).  Then I can use SCSI Probe
to mount it.  Unfortunately, I don't know what the problem is either, but
it is NOT just a problem with the Quadra 605.

Paul

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 14:26:22 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ron Mackley)

    Can anyone help me with this problem.  I have an ethertalk network
of Macs, LCIII's and Classic II's with some other stuff throughout the
biudling.  On this network is a LaserJet 4si mx.

    Printing has become very slow.  On the order of minutes for a one
page, seven line, document which uses only one font.  Could anybody offer
any suggestions as to why the performance is so slow?

Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you.

--RGM
------
Ron Mackely
[e-mail]

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